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It gives weight to the Fianna being drunken irish gaelic bard stereotypes. Log in. However, I fully support keeping them in as optional rules because I know some folks do use them. } I’m just going to mention like most have here. I join my voice to the others. card. I had to look up what most of them even were. Erm, weaknesses like these were actually pretty common in the cWOD material: VtM, KotE, DtF, CtD and MtR all had this style of weakness, any they weren’t optional. The entries under “Weakness” in KotE aren’t mechanical weaknesses like the normal VtM ones. Why must a character hate a form of weak people as a Get of Fenris? Now that you explain it like that, your point makes more sense. The argument pro is “they wouldn’t take up too much space, maybe a page or so, and it would help make this an exhaustive book.” The argument con is “How many people actually used them?” (Full disclosure: I didn’t. Totemic bans, on the other hand, would have an actual supernatural reason for being there, and for EVERY member of the tribe having them. Maybe Tribal Strengths need to be outlines more clearly in contrast. When you did the revised stuff a lot of the old super stereotypical stuff went away like the sword of Heimdal guys. I don’t mind the failings of each tribe being described in vague terms, and in fact this is a very good thing. event : evt, share. I didn’t much care for them for a couple of reasons- they used mechanics to enforce roleplay stereotypes, and as I recall they weren’t exactly equal in terms of how much of a slap they dished out (Fianna’s gimped willpower vs whatever easy ride the Children of Gaia got). So, here’s a quick question to throw out for discussion: Completely optional, added in for Revised, mostly used by folks who wanted to add some more drawbacks to the Garou. In all these years I never enforcer any of my players to mandatory play with flaws, just encouraged them on some specific instances. My character doesn’t care what the Shadow Lord is hiding. But let’s be more creative here. (“ST: This matter makes your Uktena curious!” “Player: Um, no, not really. Hagen of the former and Steve Wieck and Stewart Wieck of the latter. I really liked the alternative ‘dark ages’ flaw for the silver fangs If, for some reason, they can’t make it into W20 leave them for W20 Companion. Hey Tora! Spring: +1 difficulty to all Willpower rolls, the vibrancy of life distracts the Wendigo. K, wait, wha? Onyx Path Publishing r/ OnyxPathRPG. They suffer +1 diff on all willpower rolls and +1 difficulty on all social rolls and -1 difficulty on all frenzy rolls until the secret is revealed. Also, garou in in-universe texts/stories in the rulebook shouldn’t work under the assumption that they are a fact. Inlcude them and leave them optional. Children of Gaia Weak Veil: Witnesses are at +4 on Delirium Chart. Banes, Fomori, Vampires, etc.) For why we have an Onyx Path 9 as our lead-in, check out the Reason To Celebrate! One of the points I keep seeing brought up is the idea that Tribal Weaknesses are great for illustrating some aspect of the Tribes. I completely agree that they would be an excellent addition. mayhaps something akin to the LARP rules, where Tribal advantages also allow for Tribal advantages. $11.99 . I think some rethinking is certianly in order. I think this link to the totem isn’t very felt normally, and this would help. The Power You Want. Onyx Path Publishing : $2.96 : A Scholarly Schism. It’s not simply a matter of upbringing or culture. +1 difficulty on Willpower rolls!” “Player: Um, okay.”). I agree with not taking them out, entirely. Same with shirking responsibilities, being socially repugnant and whatever — Gnawers with these failings are more tolerated because it’s expected of them, even among the spirits. Home » ONX - Onyx Path Publishing. So if a Black Fury joins a pack following Pegasus, she must follow BOTH of Pegasus’ bans. But even so, people shouldn’t have to care about those kinds of details if they don’t want to. It would add to the game, instead of getting in the way of good roleplaying. Here’s an idea of what I’m talking about. I like *most* of them. save • Posted by 1 hour ago. Since we already have some “optional” stuff in the rules, I would like to see them kept. It’s certainly my favorite of that cluster of weaknesses precisely because it is far more RP based than a +1 diff to a generic roll, but I think it fits into that category well enough. We’ve always used the Summit to get together in-person once a year, but that’s just not happening this year so we’re going to make do as best we can. I’d say either ditch them, or give them a severe overhaul to balance them out. I’ve only every played werewolf in larp and for us they were never optional. Harmony Acres brings n I’m really only familiar with a handful, myself, and many folks’ STs may not have implimented them, or used them “as intended”, or certain games may have felt unbalanced because, say, someone played a Glasswalker out in the wilds, or someone’s Get of Fenris happened to choose a Hatred that was set off constantly during a game, and so it felt more unfair as well. Definitly Optional I allow players to take there tribal flaws as Flaws if they want. Winter: -1 difficulty on all soak rolls; winter is the Wendigo’s season, and they use their hate and anger to fortify themselves during this time. I’m not sure I need to rehash most of the complaints already put out there. weak-willed Irish!). No harm done if you have the space. I really like the idea of shifting things more toward spirit-ban-esque supernatural issues. But speaking as someone that doesn’t really care for them (at least how they were presented, anyway), their absence would be a rather glaring omission. Supernatural disadvantages like the glasswalkers or red talons inability to regain gnosis in various places make sense if you look at them as a kind of tribal ban that must be upheld or cannot be ignored. So no having the Tribal Weaknesses as an optional rule in the W20 has nothing to do with having Derangements in there as they should be included whether or not the Weaknesses are. Hot New Top Rising. Offer it with some sort of offset, maybe a +1 Permanent Gnosis rating, as they are quite clearly not only especially sensitive to their tribe, but their spiritual nature. I know, I know. Long Version: I have always suspected tribal weaknesses were concessions to Vampire fans that insisted that if clans were to have weaknesses, then tribes should too because that’s only “fair.” Different games, different standards, I say. Merits and Flaws that have applied to Garou and all other Changing Breeds have always played on these mythological flaws. Optional is perfect and where they belong inho in an exhaustive WW book. ONX - Onyx Path Publishing . Monday 11-5:30 pm Tuesday 11-5:30 pm Wednesday 11-5:30 pm Thursday 11-5:30 pm Friday 11-7 pm Saturday 10.00-5:30 pm Sunday 12-5 pm. 10. This book … These failings can reference optional weaknesses elsewhere in the book. He’s actually more concerned about–” “ST: No, you ARE curious! They’re great for flavor. So I would definitely encourage having them as optional rules if for no other reason then for completeness sake, especially since there are folk who use them around. We had ethnic stereotypes (bigoted Northern Europeans! And the cycle of Rage continues. VERY clearly optional. The latest project is a Kickstarter for Beast: The Primordial which is going strong. The traditional failings of the Bone Gnawers is they’re listless, cowardly, and the least respected of the tribes. $ 20.00 Pugmire Gamemaster's Screen. An entire organization sourcebook for Aberrant players and Storytellers alike. You could suffer weaknesses for imbalance and the like, but this isn’t splat-based. Should we include them? I’d say Include the Tribal Weaknesses (which could use a little revising as some have suggested) but keep them as a take it or leave it option for the players to work into a more fleshed out character. And even as he’s lightly admonished, the angry Get finds his resolve increase (gets Willpower) for facing down his opposition with bravery. And give a bit more thought to where they come from and why. Onyx Path Publishing is a company founded in January 2012 by White Wolf Creative Director Rich Thomas. Optional works great for me, and I’d always have them in my games because.. well simply I enjoy that part of the RP. There are normally Glory Renown penalties for cowardice. I think that one of the problems with the “people’s thoughts on the Tribal Weaknesses as-is” is that most of us likely never saw, or used all (or even most) of them. I think I side on the “leave them in as an optional rule to make W20 exhaustive” crowd. So, instead of issuing on Black Furies their tribal flaw, you can for example say “many Furies having hard tempers on many due to Totem influce” or something like that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with offering the Tribal Weakness as an optional flaw. I posted some ideas for something like that about three posts down which may be what you’re looking for (if I can toot my own horn, here). I do not like them or use them, because I find them limiting to my role-play. We set the date for the 2021 Onyx Path Summit for the first week in February – which, of course, we’ll be attending virtually. I like the Flaws adding unity to the tribes, and their not any worse than Vampires Clan Weaknesses, but can easily understand why some people dislike them. May 3, 2012 at 2:15 pm I always liked them, but never thought they were a necessity – say, if the majority of people I was playing with didn’t want them then I was fine to leave them by the wayside. As I am aware of, almost all other Werewolf parties I met didn’t played with flaws as primary ruling as well. Btw anyone remember what the bunyip and croatan and original howler tribal flaws were like? Yesterday you didn’t know what that felt like, but today you’re sitting in a room with the bodies of your family and you need to hunt. That's why you have Chronicles of Darkness now. A Get that flees from battle or shows weakness will suffer more Renown loss than any other Garou. His mom was involved in a one night stand 14 years ago (animal attraction) and he’s still dealing with puberty. Onyx Path has launched "Jackie's Dreaming," a Bundle of Holding to benefit Nicky Rea, Jackie Cassada's long-time partner. I never used them and no GM I played with used them. As a guy who lived his entire life until 6 months ago in the city without any prior knowledge of the Garou (like most homids according to the canon), he was NOT raised by Get. After all, a pack is a different social unit, with different purpose and activities, than a pack. If some of them are more reasonable (Silent Striders, Silver Fangs, Red Talons, Glasswalkers) then the others need to be replaced with something of equivalent value that would be supernatural in nature — imposed by their totem — instead of social. Rising. Summer: -1 difficulty to all frenzy rolls, summer is the traditional season of war I also preferred the Glasswalker weakness from Dark Ages: Known To Vampires & the Silver Fangs Lordly Arrogance. Too long considered by others — and even themselves — as lab monkeys and cloistered researchers, their protective cocoon of isolation was ripped away by the Dimensional Anomaly. But a Bone Gnawer that flees from a fomor or duel is given more leeway than other Garou. Get of Fenris Intolerance. They are a lovely way to inform people on how the stereotype of the tribe works and what to expect from NPC’s. They fear you. Scion Second Edition Book One: Origin - You are the child of a God, born to the magic of yesterday and the promise of tomorrow. Mechanical tweaks on some, and most could use rewordings that help stress their nature to make role-playing them more interesting. The bundle is full of amazing Changeling: The Dreaming 20th Anniversary products at a huge discount. Silver Fangs Derangement: Years of inbreeding with limited flocks of kin have taken their toll. I haven’t played many games using the Revised rules, but I’ve never had a problem with using the Tribal Weaknesses in the ones that did use them. Fight supernatural evil and shame as The Color Guard goes to Kickstarter, Babes in the Wood RPG wanders into Kickstarter for a second edition, Post-apocalyptic fantasy Out of Ashes rises on Kickstarter, Svalbard introduces player respawning to tabletop RPGs, Help a designer in need and pick up Jackie's Dreaming bundle, MCDM’s Arcadia could wear the D&D magazine crown, Geek Native Patron gift: Pew! I would say leave them in, but keep them optional. at the end of this blog! He wasn’t even raised by Garou. Fianna Low Self-Control: All Willpower rolls are at +1 difficulty. Join. Our price: … I like the idea of making them more Spiritual Bans inflicted upon the Rite of Passage rather then some crazy genetic or social thing.. especially with the Silver Fang derangement thing.. given the revelations in the Revised Tribe book that it was a curse placed on the Tribe by Luna.. capricious bitch that she is.. The name "The Onyx Path" and the company's logo appeared on White Wolf products and their message board in early 2012. It seems especially appropriate now that background restrictions aren’t even mandatory now (not that anything was every REALLY mandatory, but you know what I mean). Onyx Path Publishing: Wise: Total Party Kill Games: Withheld Strikes: Legendary Games: Wyrmblooded Paragon: AAW Games, LLC: Yuralith Flight: AAW Games, LLC: Zwerc Knight: AAW Games, LLC: Latest 5th Edition Products in the Open Gaming Store! . So, optional makes more sense to me. See how this approach takes the weaknesses of a tribe and actually turns it into a left-handed strength? I can see why some folks would like to, though.). Fall: +1 difficulty to change forms; the world slows down in autumn, and fewer new things are born. Well, it certainly makes more sense this way IMO. I too like the tribal flaws, because they give a mechanical pressure to persuade a player to play a Tribe in a certain way (there’s always SOMETHING you can trust is shared among a Tribe’s people.) Onyx Path Publishing : $9.99 : You Are Not Alone (A Trinity Continuum: Aberrant Comic) Gillian Jericho is a young blogger with the interview of a lifetime: the mysterious Antaeus of Team Tomorrow. Bounty Hunters in Space, Police argue that playing Pokemon Go isn’t exercise during the lockdown, Teach Google what you like. Listen online, no signup necessary. See what employees say about what it's like to work at Onyx Path Publishing. Like most here, I like some, I don’t like others, and there’s some issues with their implementations. For a thousand years, the Dragon-Blooded have ruled Creation from thrones of jade, secure in their power and authority as Princes of the Earth. Perhaps too much of a “revision” for the 20th anniversary edition – but were it up to me, instead of a bunch of unrelated weaknesses mostly connected to negative stereotypes of the tribes in question, I’d do something more like Werewolf the Forsaken, and give each tribe an oath. Leave them optional, but leave them in. If they do get included in the main book though, I think they do need a revision. Being an online gamer, I’ve seen the weaknesses done few times, and as cool as they can be, they can also wreck concepts and make some tribes impossible to play in certain settings. And so while there are certain to be Gnawers that fight their tribe’s negative stereotype, the fact the Renown and social consequences for retreating from danger often aren’t there means some Gnawers will do it. You can change and craft your flaws into something that you and your players do like. Stargazers Obsessive Mind Games: Failing an Enigma roll makes the Stargazer become obsessed with the riddle, unable to concentrate on anything else until he solves the puzzle. I personally require players to use them with every game so i’d like to see them in the new book, though I guess if they weren’t included I can just use the ones from revised. Really, you should keep supporting Onyx Path, and hate on the new White Wolf. Heart of the Union The Progenitors hid far more depth than anyone, Tradition or Technocrat, realized. I suppose a +1 difficulty on Social rolls is one way to do this, and that’s functional and simple. Sometimes it’s the little things that make the biggest differences in life, and nowhere is this more evident than the boggan kith. Onyx Path Publishing FREE : Wyrm Taint [BUNDLE] This special bundle product contains the following titles. Most Tribal Weaknesses are just “You have this social problem because all Black Furies are man-hating butch lesbians!”. Because, franctly, it means very little. ), or players who don’t like that they must take a “flaw” that doesn’t give them points. After the revolution: Deus Ex – Mankind Divided…. Ugh, get rid of them. Subscribe to. Also wendigo wheel of the seasons was in truth A LOT more severe than anyone else’s except maybe CoG’s near retarded weak veil. The question is whether or not they have enough of a hold to be worth making room for. I would certainly include that as an option or historical refrence if flaws are included. Hmm interesting. Which I find kind of baffling. Especially the idea of having Tribal Bans (Forsaken’s inclusion of this concept made me very happen) due to that meshing better thematically and narratively. Two different games. They should be optional (and excluded from gameplay examples and character writeu-ps), they should all be supernatural in origin, and they should be carefully balanced against each other. And this affects everything from their Gifts to their dispositions. They suffer a +1 on all perception rolls, +1 on all initiative rolls until the puzzle is solved. The various totemic/pack bans got a lot more use and, as mentioned above, made more sense. Unless their addition would remove something better from the book. However, werewolves that are overly aggressive and have issues with restraining their Rage should suffer social consequences, but the Get are given more slack on this than others; while the tribe’s elders and spirits won’t exactly reward some headstrong Fenrir pup that took a swing on a higher-ranking Garou, they won’t punish it that harshly either… you gotta respect his moxie if nothing else. Some tribebooks have used the totem Bans as unofficial tribal flaws and I think they work better than the ‘official’ flaws. Otherwise, it’s mostly like the entire social background restriction discussion all over again. http://www.shadownessence.net/forum/topic/33243-5-point-packages/. I hate that there’s all that info about Pentex up front when most Garou don’t know about its existence. STs who love them can use them, and those who don’t can ignore them. True, this is a factor. Fine… Doesn’t say you can’t have two characters of a tribe who must have the same tribal weakness. Uktena’s intense curiosity and stargazer’s obsessive mind-games were never really defined beyond the basic -“this will trigger it”. They were terrible, they create stereotypes instead of incouraging roleplay. So they are non-existent to me. For more savings, visit our New Year, New Game sale page. Granted, having Derangements in the book is useful for other players, but still it’s something to remember. Moderator of r/OnyxPathRPG Archived Comments are locked [Meta] Where do I start with Onyx Path's games? Outside of individual roleplaying, this also establishes a setting justification for the tribe’s failing. Can it ever be? Derangements should be on the Core, including W20, as they come up in multiple places and occasions besides the Silver Fangs. Every single Black Fury hates men? This would also dilute certain problems such as: $ 49.99 Pugmire RPG. Ah. Everyone wins. -Does the tribal weakness show up in cubs who haven’t been adopted to the tribe yet, also does someone who switches tribe get two bans and why don’t the black spirals dancer have a tribal flaw unless we count being -Ikthya as one? Best Onyx Path Publishing Podcasts For 2020. Onyx Path Publishing. But Clan Weaknesses are supernatural problems inflicted by a magical curse. That is, when they didn’t do practical things like take an eye from you or give you an eidetic memory. $ 39.95 Scion Second Edition: Book One - Origin $ 50.00 Monarchies of Mau. Making them all into totemic bans of some kind, barring things like the Silent Strider and Silver Fang curses (Owl and Falcon realize their children have enough problems and have relaxed their former bans) and then making them optional would turn an annoying, stereotype-ridden impediment to character development into an interesting piece of spiritual texture. Some STs just don’t want to deal with more mechanics (Glasswalkers who can’t regain Gnosis outside of a City or a Caern, GoF who have to chose a Hatred, Silver Fangs with a derangement, etc. They’re subject to their culture’s interpretation of them, subtly altered by it. If your parents are full blooded wendigo kinfolok, but you’re raised in germany, ignorant of your garou nature, and after your fist change the Get of Fenris adopt you, which tribal weakness do you get? Like totemic bans, but for the tribal totem rather than the pack totem. For example, in one of the official apocalypse scenarios, if a totem was corrupted, the entire tribe would follow. . Wendigo Wheel of Seasons – I didn’t own the first edition, but I had 2nd and Revised and I would have sworn they were in the 2nd. Fantasy Grounds partners with RPG companies to provide a unique experience for each game we support, with intelligent automation making your game easier to … Onyx Path Publishing have had a run of very successful Kickstarters, built up a loyal fan base and developed a reputation for both looking after popular RPGs and innovation. Not so much for the Gnawers. . I’ve already posted this elsewhere but I figured to put it here as well. forms: { But make it clear these are not part of the typical canon. Well tribal flaws are something that essentially brought from VtM, and no other game lines had clan/tribal flaws if I can correctly recall. But, as mentioned, they’re short. Edit: In case I wasn’t clear before, these would be optional rules jammed into an appendix or sidebar at best: there is zero chance of making them mandatory. Any potential employer will have to decide for themselves if Matt is someone they want to hire, but now they’ll have more information with which to make a better decision. Oh, and lastly: just so taking a tribal totem as a pack totem doesn’t remove your obligations, the tribal bans should be different from the pack bans. Leave them optional. And there were weakness-imposed intrusions on roleplaying all around. Perhaps add to the difficulty in the places where they are less comfortable? The only two I dislike is the Red Talon and the Glasswalker. I would however lean towards trying to flesh them out at least a little, some of them are a little dry and cut and would deserve a little explaining if only to say “No one knows why, it’s a tribal mystery”. Average Rating (16 ratings) Try a new game in the New Year: From now through January 18th, this digital title has been marked down by up to 50%! 10. pinned by moderators. $15.99. They are still primarily Gaian shapeshifters, even if they are affinitied with other forces. Examples: Cowardice, Compromise, lower animals, weakness. And I agree with you, Kuei-jin have very little margin for error. Onyx Path Publishing : $2.99 : C20 Kithbook: Boggans. Player must define a specific Intolerance at creation time (and with approval). But it might. When they learn someone knows something they don’t they become distracted until able to get the secret. Hatred seems too much like a character flaw, and not a Tribe-wide problem, and if it is, it makes the Get look too narrow-minded, for example. When Onyx Path Publishing (OPP) announced the crowdfunding campaign to convert Calibre Comics’ Legendlore from four-color funny book to tabletop RPG, I was interested.Developer Steffie de Vaan reached out to talk about the project which resulted in this interview. Orpheus was the only game line to simply avoid this entirely. 100% with you there. The Onyx Path staff are united in our common background with White Wolf Publishing … I always added Tribal Weakness as an optional Flaw called Tribal Sterotype for 2pts. Scion [Scion 2e] A Few Questions for a Player/ST. The only Tribal Weakness I’ve ever seen players remember, really, is the Silver Fang weakness.. mostly just as an excuse to insult Silver fangs as sister banging inbred degenerates. Please log in again. I would like to see them included if for no other reason than the fact that I had NO idea that they WEREN’T in the 1st and 2nd edition. Dangit. Working with a group of amazingly talented creators, we explore print, electronic and other forms of media distribution to make our products available to our fans. ), But even if that were not the case, while some weaknesses were interesting and thematic, others seemed arbitrary, as if writers/devs were stretching to come up with something/anything that could be applied instead of letting that weakness flow forth organically from the tribes’ concept. Bone Gnawer Social Outcasts : +1 difficulty on all Social rolls involving other tribes. Black Fury Anger: -1 difficulty to enter frenzy when provoked by men. window.mc4wp = window.mc4wp || { What I’d like to see is to change the tribal weaknesses to be Tribal totem bans or flaws. Shadow Lords Failure’s Dagger: – 1 Renown for failure. on: function(evt, cb) { I thought a couple of the tribal weaknesses were interesting, but, for the most part, they seemed arbitrary and ill-balanced. Black Furies are a prime example of a bad one. Copper Coins Geek Native is an affiliate and may earn commission on purchases you make from third-party sites. They were forced to changed the name, Onyx Path wanted to keep publishing nWoD but had to do it under a different name because nu-WhiteWolf wanted to keep WoD for themselves. But there is a built in splat drawback: violating your Dharma’s tenets, which can cost you a dot of Dharma (Which is a lot worse than violating Humanity/a Path in VtM). ” Matt Penn. Keep them, but as an optional rule. The werewolf may even regain Willpower from this. Well, to be completely sincere, I didn’t use them very much, but I think that they give very much to the themes of the tribes. 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